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Topic : Styazhka to warm box Hello! The bare concrete plinth should mount system warm floor (presumably set Teplolyuks). Back to only 4 cm from the plate to laminate. The total area under the 30-square plate. metres, of which 18 metres (in the piece, a piece in the entrance hall, a piece of the kitchen) to warm the floor. Have questions : 1) Identify the concrete slab (reason enough level) - progruntovat? roughly equal (to what)? 2) Folgirovannaya isolation - I put potolsche to 1 cm - is it? what material prefer? 3) slab-seals must be understood that at least 3 cm, just like ukladyvayus. The flooded? Homogeneous mixture? The cup is not the kind of floor Teplolyuks monolith (194r. kg bag) and Teplolyuks glims (400r. bag). So visited by 30 squares will disappear beneath the 60 sacks ... You can use something else is a more cost-effective? I understand normal plate in this case potreskatsya ... Or it could be something to add? 4) Is the simple thermal inexpensively bloat? 5) Do what pitfalls should be on the warm floor laminate? 6) There is a view of the floores Teplolyuks? 7) There are a cheap alternative kind of floor?
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box But times are quiet, try : 1) Alignment is itself plate by simply should not be sharp edges that can damage the insulation. Blot not, but you can go to something primer for control and harden grounds 2) cm is cool, I promise! If you are a residential facility (heated), a "serious" insulation is not necessary, but remember - if you like plate at the stove off, it is nevertheless necessary soundproofing (Believe, it is much more important). If you want to "cool" to buy a special kind of isolation of the floores, for example HANALON (~ 5mm, folgirovan two sides ~ 250rub/m2); Cork 2-4mm + + polyethylene foil is a little money; Still cheaper than domestic foiled insulation is a great choice. 3) Thickness PLAVAYUSCHEY seals depend on the substrate material (izlolyatsii) and the composition of the mixture. Of course, better to have a ready-mix with additives (pretty simple and reliable - cast concrete, from 90rub./meshok) and specify a minimum thickness of the manufacturer. For a standard heat / sound insulation usually 40-45mm very thin ground. It armirovat 5h5cm mesh with the unit, it will increase the strength and reduce the likelihood of cracking, but warm cable box can be constructed directly on the grid. Keep deformation beads and the correct care of the seals. 4) Simple enough certainly, but not so much programmable expensive, but can be programmed for an entire week inclusion in your convenience, which can greatly reduce electricity consumption. 5) Yes supposedly not. 6) There are, but I prefer DEVI DTIP-18. 7) As an alternative, you can look at it, and I do need a warm floor under the laminate (unless of course this is not the main insulation). Hall is a clear, and if you want to walk barefoot-room bed better cork and without heating.
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box On item 3. And whether pour cable simple dry mixture?
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box It is not recommended! I wish you success! ! !
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box You can, if you add in the water. :))) And if serezdno that such a "simple mixture? In my understanding that cement + sand.
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box You can, if you add in the water. )) And if serezdno that such a "simple mixture? In my understanding that cement + sand. P.S. This was my office. Www, sorry ...
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box On foil insulation in the senseless-known fact. When told centimetre layer of extruded polystyrene foam to put a well-known brand, or cork. Penopolietilenovy heater is it set no-promnetsya, and centimeter nothing left. Wall insulation will affect the efficiency of, or eventually your purse. So what centimetre exclusion (if not two, and four must be) may not be over, especially if you have a first or heaven forbid second floor of the superficial. Join the line of mesh sizes seals, only I think better still take Valve unit with 50x50 .. 100x100 from corrugated wire ~ D4 (grid ground !!!). As for the mixture will be poured concrete M300 and easy to use, just as his rovnyat over such a wide area. I poured the foundation slab when levelled course perfectly, but somewhere in the centimetre hole still remained on the baths of sight. Thermal-can be quite a notably different brand than the cable itself. Think-you stand humour, power will be too. You nagorit electricity for the season as much as a programmable controller in time to be a field day off. The laminate must consult seller laminate is not all brands like heat. An inexpensive option is to remove the spiral of elektroplitki and extend to the floor. Joke. P.S. I have a plate with a warm floor in the toilet block any song was, then not much is known : poured into two layers, then doravnivalas samorovnyayki two layers; essno no reinforcement. And nothing two years, a normal flight.
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box if you gimoroya-fingers in the grid plate, and when she walks you zadyshit floor, and lay solution will be difficult. pool is not saved from cuts, it does not have cracked plate collapse. to reduce fracturing better use polypropylene fiber (fibre), if you want to run on steel or glass fiber. with steel fibre works as vzletnoposadochnaya strip, but if you want to remove a plate-will be very heavy. :) using normal mixture is not complying with the market and technology-you have not tresnet plate. :) ps. any plasticizers, additives and modifiers not fads, will be expensive to change. their use is justified if the sand type of sand near the house, and cement from the market.
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box About fibre indeed many professionals do. What you do not mesh caught?
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box 2Vadik and you can tell that this is for fibre, which it is sold and where it ukdadyvaetsya under the plate? 2all poryl in there for the mixture to warm floor. produced somewhere so : 1) cast concrete from different manufacturers -85-90r. bag. It was disturbing that the written instructions for filling pipes warm the floor (I understand it to the water warm floor?) 2) Pobedit-Teply floor AM-8-125r. bag 3 and 4) already wrote-seals for warm floors Teplolyuks monolith (194r. kg bag) and Teplolyuks glims (400r. bag). 5) Vetonit-5000 is about 400r. 4), 5), I think samoniveliry. 1), 2), 3) is a grave rovniteli like. So they do something than finishno be equated? And yet the question is the height of the cable seals to her. If I treasure on cable concrete plinth, and the top 3 cm seals that it is okay or many? or cable must be in the middle of seals?
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box About fibre see here : (Briefly : treschinnostoykost peskobetona increases, reduces the number of joints required deformation). "Vetonit 5000" - not samoniveliruyuschiysya floor. It is desirable. Manual installation warm floor : I wish you success! ! !
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box AlekseyN to : pool is not used, half cup all that I saw with grid-breathe. ie otvalilis grid or on the concrete foundation, half of the grid is much more difficult to lay and utrambovyvat mixture. Why did muchatsya easier to mesh when nasypat fibers in the mixture with zameshivanii. :) Keys to : for the normal mixture to warm floor fibers do not want, but if you have pohimichit (make regular peskobetona M300 mixture to warm the floor) it worse they will not. :) ps. I purchased here fibrin on the difference between a cup of fibrin or fibrin-no, to the touch, too. - only with fibrin plate fails worse (fiber prevented). buy a mixture of plant-watching the technology envelope and you will be happy, even without any additives and fibrin. :)
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box Interestingly, while foundations and monolithic concrete construction fittings are used to when they disintegrated potreskayutsya? ! ? Subject to the technology : Concrete + = single armature construction and working together! The fact that many floors to breathe grid, said only the non-compliance technology. Most gore-stroiteley grid did on the floor poge and think and want, and those who for smarter, it can also povibrirovat hold rasteksya solution. Of course, after such a dotted grid will be splits. While the grid-to work much harder, especially beacons place, etc. but that was no reason ...
Subject : Re : Styazhka to warm box Mysl-to evident, especially in humid areas, but there probezhalsya again on SEP 1.7. and this is not something I thought so obvious. By equating the system capacity (excluding the rest) should join only metal frames in buildings Pro grid plate reads only as an additional protection for facilities for animals. Or I am wrong? How pool tables, if the cards in the grid plate, unlike bars in the f / b design, are not welded together and communicate, or is not reliable? And there are still find foil ...
Subject : Re [2] : Styazhka to warm box ' "" to a difference between the seals with fibrin or fibrin-no, to the touch, too. - only with fibrin plate fails worse (fiber prevented). buy a mixture of plant-watching the technology envelope and you will be happy, even without any additives and fibrin. :)""" Disagree. Once it is clear, if worse plate fails (fiber hampered), it already is. What replaced the steel bars? ? ? A micro? ? ? To begin with, steel screen armiruet solution in two directions, polypropylene-all. Next, how much sq.m. grid? (and how much 0.6 kg bone?) Again, zameshal and flood. All. And no wisdom to the grid, particularly in the plate to 3 mm, "the ESF vylazit" ... On issues such as pouring plate with fibre read here : And you will be happy. Good luck! ! !
Subject : Re [3] : Styazhka to warm box Can a version suitable for hot floor with laminate : ... by mounting sheets devicell DRY ™ can be quickly, easily and without extra dirt to cable [url = '> http://www.teplo-devi.ru/NEW/cell.asp] system warm floor under laminate [/ url] or parquet, and use it on the same day. Fitting sheets devicell DRY ™ are extruded polystyrene plate with aluminium profiles 1mm thick. The sheet 1000h500h13mm. The technology installation is described here : http://www.teplo-devi.ru/NEW/cell.asp
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